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post #1 of 34 (permalink) Old 12-03-2016, 11:47 AM Thread Starter
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To rebuild or buy a rebuilt engine?

So I know our Prowler is in need of a rebuild but I have never rebuilt a motor before. Hoping it is just the top end but there is a knock, it is consuming a bit of oil, I just replaced the airbox after finding a hole through the intake side and I had some grayish\black goop float up while filling the radiator yesterday.

The engine starts fine in the garage but is harder to start outside. It was running fine since we picked it up used last fall but has gone down hill this fall.

So now with just dropping a lot of money on a new V-Plow we are wondering about trying to rebuild it myself or just buying a rebuilt 700 engine for $2500?

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I saw several rebuilt in that price range. looked like a good deal. If you go that route, you can recoup some costs selling your old engine components. Breaking it down, new cylinder and piston 500-600 dollars, Crank if needed is another 400-500, trans parts depending what is needed add another 200-300, so from a financial stand point you would be better to buy a rebuilt unit. I was somewhat conservative on the numbers!

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So I know our Prowler is in need of a rebuild but I have never rebuilt a motor before. Hoping it is just the top end but there is a knock, it is consuming a bit of oil, I just replaced the airbox after finding a hole through the intake side and I had some grayish\black goop float up while filling the radiator yesterday.

The engine starts fine in the garage but is harder to start outside. It was running fine since we picked it up used last fall but has gone down hill this fall.

So now with just dropping a lot of money on a new V-Plow we are wondering about trying to rebuild it myself or just buying a rebuilt 700 engine for $2500?
****I had some grayish\black goop float up while filling the radiator yesterday. Plus the coolant leaking to the drain from the previous post.****

Sounds like a classic case of Blownheadgasketitis to me. leaking coolant out of the engine and letting oil into the cooling system.

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****I had some grayish\black goop float up while filling the radiator yesterday. Plus the coolant leaking to the drain from the previous post.****

Sounds like a classic case of Blownheadgasketitis to me. leaking coolant out of the engine and letting oil into the cooling system.


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I'd also agree on the head gasket. I use a motorcycle cooling system test kit. I put 12 psi on the system and let it sit for a couple of hours. I check all the connections for air bubbles and so on. After that is done and no pressure loss is noted I start the motor. If the gasket is blown the pressure gage will show it! I found my kit on ebay for 39 dollars! Best money I've spent on a cheap tool! Also use it to bleed the system!

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post #6 of 34 (permalink) Old 12-05-2016, 10:22 AM Thread Starter
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Checked on that motor and found out it is from a shop here in WI and only about 1.5 hours away. Waiting on reply to see if it would be cheaper to just drop mine off for a rebuild. Over strained my right elbow cleaning up after dropping 10 trees a couple weeks back and have to finish installing more cabinets and countertop in the work shop. No Room and no time at the moment with snow fast approaching! LOL

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post #7 of 34 (permalink) Old 12-05-2016, 11:06 AM Thread Starter
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May be getting my hands on a Complete rebuilt 2017 700 HDX motor for about what it would cost to have a worse case scenario rebuild on my own. Tech needed to make some calls to make sure it would work in the 2011.

No idea what all is wrong with mine, but after finding the whole in the airbox and seeing the crap this motor had built up in the throttle body I can just imagine what the cylinder and pistol look like let alone the head, valves, and who knows what may have also leaked down into the engine case.

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Hopefully it will work for you! I would think it would drop right in, and plug into your electrics! Been watching rebuilt motors on ebay, all seem to have the same new parts list!

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If it was me, I would swap it out and send the old motor to RD for a for a tear down/rebuild. I'm always looking for a spare 650 to send to him. I know mine's gonna need rebuilt at some point in time. May as well be proactive and have a spare ready to go in, since I'll be keeping this for a long time.

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post #10 of 34 (permalink) Old 12-06-2016, 04:19 PM Thread Starter
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Appointment has been made for Monday, that 2017 Prowler 700 motor is mine. They will swap the motor for me for $500 including Oil, antifreeze flush,and the basics. Of course being a 2011 if they run into a bunch of rusty bolts and such the cost will have to go up.

Then at the end after the appointment setup he mentioned they like to keep fresh stock so they may buy back my damaged engine.

Question is, what price should I hand it over for or keep it for a future rebuild.

Also curious what they had to rebuild on this 2017 700? Didn`the get a chance to ask that part.
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