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I have a 2010 xtz with a gen 1 engine and a transmission noise. Does the engine have to be completely disassembled? thanks everyone!
 

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I have a 2010 xtz with a gen 1 engine and a transmission noise,and 110 miles out of warranty. Does the engine have to be completely disassembled? thanks everyone!


what kind of noise? what are the problems with it ? not shifting ? knocking ? if it is in the transmission ,yes the engine has to be removed and torn down and the 3 piece case split to repair .....
 

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first thing i would do is drain the oil and remove the 4 bolt cover that the drain plug is in . stick your fingers up in there and see if you can find any pieces . that gen 1 motor has had a lot of problems breaking the thrust washers in thetransmission main shaft and causing alot of problems .
 

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Had the engine out and removed the bottom "pan" and replaced all three bearings on the secondary drive assy. which runs through the bottom of the engine I found no debris at all in the pan,screen or otherwise. Although I still have the noise!!
 

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well i can guess at where it is coming from all day but im not sure with out hearing it ..... have you checked youre clutches ? when the bushings in the sliding halves wear they can make noise . try jacking up your car and running it with the tires off the ground . if it makes noise under power but not on decel it maybe coming from the diff . walk around it and listen as much vibration these things have it could be something else transfering through the car . there was a thread a while back about a growling noise and it ended up being the bed tub vibrating on the frame .
 

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Mine is in the shop as we speak (there for 2 weeks so far), I was making a whineing and grinding noise at 20+ mph and also a 1st gen H2. when I hear back from the dealer I will post up.
 

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With the unit on stands front and rear driveshafts removed. In neutral no noise and in forward and reverse it sounds like im grinding steel ball bearings. Im positive it coming from one of the transmission cross shafts.
 

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Talked to the dealer yesterday after 3 weeks being there and asked what the status was on my buggy and their reply was "fixed all the oil leaks with new gaskets and seals, new exhaust gaskets, new muffler, replaced e-brake cable (that melted because of hot exhaust)we are not replacing bed or cab panel we just put tape on it (melted also from exhaust) transmission noies is the nature of the beast and we will fix it when it blows up (not the answer I was expecting from the level of dealer this was) and still can not get the front end to loose 4wd." They were concerned about the 350lb springs in the rear and wanted to know what the hell I was pulling to justify those? Called AC Customer service to complain about the dealer's attitude and have not heard back yet...This is not going to end well as I am sure there is internal damage on the motor and when the warrenty goes out in 6 months it will go BANG..
 

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I have bad gears and brgs on the cross shaft with a black grit and metal shavings in the pan and arctic cat wants to rebuild it,seems like they want to band aid it until my warranty runs out!!! I don't want to have a 2010 with 500 miles being rebuilt!
 

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DLA67 and DIESEL , you both are going thru the same run around crap i got from my dealer last year with mine . mine was making horrible noise in the transmission and they assured me that they " compared " the noise from my trans to a brand new machine and it was the same :eek: ! so i had to run it out another 150 miles or so until it took out the entire transmission and lower end on the motor ! i then got the newest latest short block assembly replaced under warranty .i feel your pain believe me ! my opinion is all of those gen 1 transmissions are going to **** out if you do anything more than use them to check the mailbox , AC knows theres is a problem with them but they refuse to publicly admit it .

if you guys do get ahold of a AC rep dont just bash and bad mouth the dealer . be professsinal about it and remain calm . dont demand that your motor be replaced . work with them . ask to have the motors removed and opened up and inspected . DLA67 you know you have problems , theres a good chance depending on the failed parts that the parts and labor will equal or be greater than a new replacement, as was in my case . work with your shops and make a deal to open up your motors if they dont find anything wrong then youll be out a little cash for the R&R but it will give you piece of mind . if there is something wrong then you have a warrantable claim .
 

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I have bad gears and brgs on the cross shaft with a black grit and metal shavings in the pan and arctic cat wants to rebuild it,seems like they want to band aid it until my warranty runs out!!! I don't want to have a 2010 with 500 miles being rebuilt!
Sounds like the secondary thrust washers failed like mine and many others have. You might want to negotiate for a new motor since the washer will work it's way through the oil galleys and most likely take a chunk off of one or both pistons. Also the new short block has a redesigned secondary transmission without the thrust washers in it and a better lubrication system. I would not chance the rebuild and another failure. Good luck to you.
 

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DLA67 and DIESEL , you both are going thru the same run around crap i got from my dealer last year with mine . mine was making horrible noise in the transmission and they assured me that they " compared " the noise from my trans to a brand new machine and it was the same :eek: ! so i had to run it out another 150 miles or so until it took out the entire transmission and lower end on the motor ! i then got the newest latest short block assembly replaced under warranty .i feel your pain believe me ! my opinion is all of those gen 1 transmissions are going to **** out if you do anything more than use them to check the mailbox , AC knows theres is a problem with them but they refuse to publicly admit it .

if you guys do get ahold of a AC rep dont just bash and bad mouth the dealer . be professsinal about it and remain calm . dont demand that your motor be replaced . work with them . ask to have the motors removed and opened up and inspected . DLA67 you know you have problems , theres a good chance depending on the failed parts that the parts and labor will equal or be greater than a new replacement, as was in my case . work with your shops and make a deal to open up your motors if they dont find anything wrong then youll be out a little cash for the R&R but it will give you piece of mind . if there is something wrong then you have a warrantable claim .
Sound advice from a guy that has been through this before.
 

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I will call AC again on Monday just to make sure they got the call and the voicemail did not get lost, when that dealer says it is done it is going directly to another dealer for them to repair, I don't understand how they can say yeah it is making noise but wait until it blows up then we will fix it, if this is the reply I get with a noise what will they come up with when it goes boom? Oh you should have brought it in earlier so we are denying your claim?
 

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I have also come across another possible concern. The nut that holds the gears onto the output shaft may be loose and causing the gears to walk. I have seen some chewed up gears in the trans in addition to the washers. The nut on the output shaft is staked but they must have had a 10 year old tapping the nut enough to make a mark but that's it. Eventually it's gonna slip.
Check the reverse idler gear for pitting.
This may or may not be the case with yours but its a possibility
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Soaz did yo have a warranty or did AC cover it anyway? What did the new short block cost? Thanks
 

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Soaz did yo have a warranty or did AC cover it anyway? What did the new short block cost? Thanks


luckily i was still under the cat care extended warranty . the new short block would have cost me $2216.95 if i havdnt been covered . hang tight but i have found out some really interesting news on the new short block assemblies ( part # 0801-182 ) and im sure it will pertain to the latest model xtz 's . i will start a thread in the next day or so when i have all of the specifics .:eek: teaser - all new design transmission :D! a few members and i have been truying to find out a few more details before we infrom everyone to keep any confusion to a min...
 

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Thanks I will stay posted. I dont need it yet but I have a first gen H2 with 525 mi. so my day is coming.
 
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